Comments: Understanding

Did you hear the Education psychologists are going on strike, having rejected sept22 pay rise for 12 months and now sept 23 proposal too.
Government still restricting EP degrees, so chronic service vacancies continue.

Posted by Verity74 on 10 October, 2023 at 10:35 PM

I think that you read that email differently to me Verity! As I understand it, the situation has been caused by the employers' side retracting a pay and restructuring offer for 2022/23 (that was seemingly acceptable, finally, after 18 months of negotiation) made on 11th September after 2 weeks.

I also think that the proposed 'industrial action' will be more subtle than strikes, not least because everyone has seen that strikes just don't work.

Given how few Local Authority employed EPs are left now (and that, as you say, there are so many unfilled LA posts, and that the 'quality' of those left in LA posts is therefore not what it used to be), all this will do is make more schools buy in services directly from the many new groups of EPs working together outside of LA stranglehold (eg as CICs) or even employ their own EPs directly (as many of the larger MATs already do).

In order to fulfil their statutory duties if industrial action goes ahead, LAs will also have to try to buy in services from such consortia, but given that EPs who have left LA work often do so to avoid the soul-destroying drudgery of churning out statutory advice in favour of working proactively at preventative and supportive systems levels, LAs are unlikely to be successful.

The system is a total mess, and anyone with any sense who wants to go into that area of work would now be much better advised to take a clinical training route and then work in education. 35 years ago, CP and EP salaries were broadly similar, but now CPs earn at least 50% more within a very short time of qualifying. As ever, education is a poor relative.

Posted by Blue Witch on 11 October, 2023 at 4:10 AM

I think it's a version of the insult going down the line until someone gets home and kicks the dog. Always abuse the person below you.

Posted by Debster on 11 October, 2023 at 8:20 AM

I know that working in retail isn't easy, but if those in supervisory/managerial positions treat/speak to their staff like that, is it any wonder that staff are so unmotivated and unhelpful to customers?

The same delivery driver told me that, in the store he works from, they have had 8 new drivers start since July when he did, and every one of them has now left or is in the process of leaving. You'd think that someone in HR further up the organisation might notice and query why, wouldn't you?

The sad thing is, almost every delivery driver (from whatever company) who visits (and there are many) has similar tales (for some reason they seem to like to talk to me!).

It seems to me that it's not inflation and price rises that are causing misery, it's lack of basic human decency and empathy in interpersonal interactions. How the current widespread situation can ever be repaired and move on, I don't know, when it all starts from dysfuntion at the very top of things.

Posted by Blue Witch on 11 October, 2023 at 9:02 AM

No 1 son was a delivery driver for a brief while for a supermarket chain. He told me similar stories about incompetent bullying managers who would not listen.

I don't know much about EP but certainly CP's do well financially within the NHS. However, they too have to work to the whims of idiot managers many of whom have a poor understanding of clinical psychology. It is all short CBT interventions and discharge from service.

Posted by delcatto on 11 October, 2023 at 12:50 PM